The Bad Company of Barack Obama

[Raistlin]

Know who you are voting for. It is right there to see - do not choose to be willfully ignorant.

The Bad Company Of Barack Obama, National Review Online: The Senator's "Change" Would Radically Alter This Country - CBS News

[JLTucker]

Is this all you are going to do? Keep making threads about how bad Obama is? Post a link and offer no commentary besides a one-liner?

Edit: Bravo on linking us to an article from a right-wing rag. Opinion articles suck ass anyway.

How would you like it, Raistlin, if I posted link after link from left-wing websites and blogs about McCain and that stupid, fundie, trailer-trash **** he chose as his vice presidential candidate?

[ViperSRT3g]

This is starting to get a little annoying...

[Avalon[FR]]

OH! Since i saw this post on BWhacks i will vote for McCain! Thanks for the enlightenment! [/sarcasm]

[Dyndrilliac]

Interesting - according to CNN, there is no evidence to support a long term friendly relationship between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama, whereas there is evidence that John McCain attempted to protect Charles Keating (although he was cleared of ethical wrong-doing) during his committing of fraud in the 1980's senate scandal.

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Bringing up Jeremiah Wright again is clearly an asinine act of desperation; there was 5 straight months of it in the mainstream "liberal" media and he still won the primary, it's clear no one cares. And personally, I would rather vote for a politician who associates with people who fight for what they believe in than some thieving corporate whore.

[Raistlin]

Edit: Bravo on linking us to an article from a right-wing rag. Opinion articles suck ass anyway.

When you can't address the content, attack the source. There are dozens of sources for this; I selected the one that provides the most information in one place (although it doesn't cover everything), but if you don't trust it, you can easily confirm the truth of his connections to these people from other sources.

Post all you want about Palin, but to focus on the other side's vice presidential candidate while tolerating Obama's ties to racists, socialists, communists, criminals, and unrepentant former domestic terrorists seems silly to me.

This is starting to get a little annoying...

Meh.

OH! Since i saw this post on BWhacks i will vote for McCain! Thanks for the enlightenment!

I don't know how a post like that belongs in serious discussion.

Interesting - according to CNN, there is no evidence to support a long term friendly relationship between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama

CNN admits that Obama isn't being truthful about the relationship. CNN admits that Obama's political coming out party was hosted by Ayers and his wife (a successful terrorist in her own right, having made it onto the FBI's top ten most wanted list, and who is famously quoted praising the Manson murders: "Dig it! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them. They even shoved a fork into the victim's stomach! Wild!") in the Ayers' home. CNN admits that Ayers got Obama his chairmanship on the CAC (an organization founded by Ayers). CNN admits that their relationship is longer and more involved than a tangential one based on both being on the board of a foundation together. These are the facts. CNN's simultaneous, contradictory analysis that there is not a long term friendly relationship (nice double-qualifier) between the two men is in stark contrast with the facts they have admitted to.

CNN didn't even mention that the Obama campaign's claim that Ayers' and Obama's children go to school together is a lie - Ayers' children are 28 and 30. CNN didn't mention that Obama and Ayers used their positions on the board of the Woods Foundation to funnel money to Jeremiah Wright and to other organizations like the Arab American Action Network (whose founder advocates attacks on Israel). CNN didn't mention that they did the same thing from their positions as founder and chairman of the CAC. CNN didn't mention that Obama only cut off telephone and email contact with Ayers in 2005, when he was stepping onto the national scene where the level of scrutiny would be higher.

Bringing up Jeremiah Wright again is clearly an asinine act of desperation; there was 5 straight months of it in the mainstream "liberal" media and he still won the primary, it's clear no one cares.

No one cares because Obama was allowed to to get away with claiming that he sat in Wright's church for twenty years, put his children through those sermons, was married there, had his children baptized there, [and funneled money to Wright from his positions on the Woods Foundation and the CAC with Ayers,] and NEVER ONCE HEARD WRIGHT MAKE HIS RADICAL RACIST STATEMENTS. Nobody cares because the media used its position as the middleman between people and information to make sure that they don't care.

And personally, I would rather vote for a politician who associates with people who fight for what they believe in than some thieving corporate whore.

I find your description of violent socialists, communist party members, racists, criminal slumlords, and former domestic terrorists as "people who fight for what they believe in" interesting.

[JLTucker]

I read it. For the record I'm not voting for Obama. I'm not voting at all because there isn't a socialist candidate.

[Raistlin]

Dyndrilliac - to be clear, when I refer to CNN I am referring to the segment they aired on this subject, not the link you provided (which tells much less than the segment).

[Dyndrilliac]

Since when is being a socialist or a communist a bad thing? Keeping in mind, that old world soviets and other totalitarian supporters of oligarchies and dictatorships are not communists; merely passing themselves off as communists as an excuse for the inevitable descent of their forms of government into wells of human corruption. McCarthyism is a failed endeavor, it's just persecution masked by the illusion of security. Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security.

Terrorism isn't right, but doing something extreme to protest the actions of political leaders who for all intents and purposes are above the laws that govern ordinary citizens is nothing new, and it's much more honorable to stand up for something you believe in than to steal from others like nothing more than a common thief.

But then again, this whole argument is moot; There is always a finger to be pointed at all politicians if you intend on condemning someone for associating with people who have questionable pasts. At one time, John McCain aligned himself with such blindly racist bigots as Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, and other products of an era that has long since passed. Does that make him a bad person? Of course not. Guilt does not spread with association like some kind of disease, and it is ridiculous to place blame on someone for being able to see past someone else's past and their differences of opinion. It is truly sad to see that people who are otherwise fairly intelligent are ready to condemn someone for something so petty.

Keep in mind, I'm an undecided voter; I'm not some Obama fanboy, if that's the next basis for your argument.

[Raistlin]

At one time, John McCain aligned himself with such blindly racist bigots as Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, and other products of an era that has long since passed.

John McCain's relationship with these people was a tangential one based on working with them on legislation - tangential being the kind of relationship Obama coyly claimed his was with Ayers, since there is nothing wrong with that, as opposed to the kinds of ties he actually has with Ayers and others.

[Intangir]

Obama Crimes
obama has still never proven hes a native born american citizen
hes refused to do so

[KenshinHimura]

He has proven it to multiple media sources, but has not put it out publicly for independent research. As for medical records - the same goes for John McCain.

Originally Posted by Intangir

Obama Crimes
obama has still never proven hes a native born american citizen
hes refused to do so

Barack Obama's Birth Certificate - Proof of Citizenship?

next time use google

[Raistlin]

The problem is that he moved to Indonesia as a child and Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. Meaning that unless he reapplied for citizenship some time later in life after renouncing it and becoming an Indonesian citizen, registering for school there, etc., he is not a citizen. And his campaign is unable to provide any proof that he did so.

Also, use google to look up the comparisons between the pattern on this birth certificate and others; it is a bit different.

[Degausser]

Originally Posted by Dyndrilliac

Since when is being a socialist or a communist a bad thing?

Since it's a theoretically perfect but for all intensive purposes impossible system. It's a pipe dream and you know it.

Socialism undermines the principals of this country, if you want socialism, leave, because the rest of us damn well don't.